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K
February 21st, 2003, 09:54 AM
A letter to the London Observer newspaper from Terry Jones (of Monty
Python fame).

Letters
Sunday January 26, 2003
The Observer

I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq:
he's running out of patience. And so am I! For some time now I've been
really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down
the street.

Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give
me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty
for me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what.

I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but
he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is. As for Mr
Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources -
that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street
telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one.

Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the
police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they
need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours.

They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights
and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson will
be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr Patel
will be secretly murdering people. Since I'm the only one in the
street with a decent range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to
me to keep the peace. But until recently that's been a little
difficult. Now, however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I
need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in and do
whatever I want!

And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq
is the only way to bring about international peace and security. The
one certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers
targeting the US or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have
never threatened us.

That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and
children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave
us in peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way.
Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq
is that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass
destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as
much justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr
Bush has for bombing Iraq. Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the
world a safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'.
It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when
you've achieved it?

How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every
single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist
once he's committed an act of terror.

What about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want to
eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being suicide bombers,
have already eliminated themselves.

Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a
future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective
until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then some moderate
Muslims might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe
thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims?

It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip
of the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I
don't like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one
will be really safe until I've wiped them all out. My wife says I
might be going too far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic
as the President of the United States. That shuts her up.

Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough
reason for the President, it's good enough for me.

I'm going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come
out in the open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers,
galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they
don't hand them over nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the
entire street to kingdom come.

It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in
contrast to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one
street.

Sincerely,
Terry Jones

Haysoos
February 21st, 2003, 12:28 PM
(w00t) thats a great letter

mOOkie
February 21st, 2003, 03:44 PM
Masterful. Shame this sort of thing doesnt get prime time and GW's ham fisted attempts at warmongering do. If this thing goes all the war to war, I think we might be in for some repeats of the Vietnam protests.

Tobalaz
February 22nd, 2003, 02:38 AM
That kind of letter makes me feel shamed as an American. For too long we've reached out and stuck our noses in buisness that doesn't affect us. I feel an attack on Iraq would be justified if we were provoked, but we wern't. Afghanastan's little holy boys attack us, And we attack Iraq? I really fail to see the logic in it all. If anybody wants to bash me for not being "Patriotic" by saying this is all a sham, then go ahead.
Thanks for showing the letter, maybe it'll get a few people thinking about what we do and the reasons we do it.

mOOkie
February 22nd, 2003, 02:48 AM
I wouldnt say it is something to blight your country by. I'm sure many Americans are opposed to war too. Blame the politicians. At the end of the day, Mr Blair is pretty much in favour of war as Bush is. Or of course you could do what Beans did and just emigrate to Canada.

Mr.unknown
February 22nd, 2003, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by Tobalaz@Feb 21 2003, 07:38 PM
That kind of letter makes me feel shamed as an American. For too long we've reached out and stuck our noses in buisness that doesn't affect us. I feel an attack on Iraq would be justified if we were provoked, but we wern't. Afghanastan's little holy boys attack us, And we attack Iraq? I really fail to see the logic in it all. If anybody wants to bash me for not being "Patriotic" by saying this is all a sham, then go ahead.
Thanks for showing the letter, maybe it'll get a few people thinking about what we do and the reasons we do it.
You are being Patriotic by practicing the first Amendment.
All this war stuff is just getting people here in America Paranoid, and hate the government some more.
America is already in trouble with the Economy we don't need a war like just all you people have been saying on the forum.

Chief
February 22nd, 2003, 04:51 AM
First, I'd like to make a point - war is all hell, and it should be a last resort, and I'm not positive all options have been exhausted. But what if, what if the same thing happens that did with Hitler? The US waited on that, and millions died because of it. We already know the man's a nutjob - hes gassed his own people. He could kill just about anyone in his country anytime he wants. Now, I don't know about you guys, but I think it's kinda obvious that the UN isn't really capable of doing much to Iraq on its own. These "inspections" aren't really a viable option, and war is not an attractive option - any of those protesters have any other ideas, or do we just "see no evil"?

However, the thing that really gets me is this: if Bush can justify attacking Iraq, how can he justify not attacking Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc., in turn?

Lag Messiah
February 22nd, 2003, 04:55 AM
Originally posted by Chief@Feb 21 2003, 11:51 PM
First, I'd like to make a point - war is all hell, and it should be a last resort, and I'm not positive all options have been exhausted. But what if, what if the same thing happens that did with Hitler? The US waited on that, and millions died because of it. We already know the man's a nutjob - hes gassed his own people. He could kill just about anyone in his country anytime he wants. Now, I don't know about you guys, but I think it's kinda obvious that the UN isn't really capable of doing much to Iraq on its own. These "inspections" aren't really a viable option, and war is not a pretty option - any of those protesters have any other ideas, or do we just "see no evil"?

However, the thing that really gets me is this: if Bush can justify attacking Iraq, how can he justify not attacking Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc., in turn?
wooooooooooooooah there Chiefie...first of all the US was just about the only country that waited with Hitler. The UK, and most of Europe were in there long before the US decided to show up at the last minute. You can't really compair the two situations if you ask me...

Chief
February 22nd, 2003, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by Lag Messiah@Feb 22 2003, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by Chief@Feb 21 2003, 11:51 PM
First, I'd like to make a point - war is all hell, and it should be a last resort, and I'm not positive all options have been exhausted. But what if, what if the same thing happens that did with Hitler? The US waited on that, and millions died because of it. We already know the man's a nutjob - hes gassed his own people. He could kill just about anyone in his country anytime he wants. Now, I don't know about you guys, but I think it's kinda obvious that the UN isn't really capable of doing much to Iraq on its own. These "inspections" aren't really a viable option, and war is not a pretty option - any of those protesters have any other ideas, or do we just "see no evil"?

However, the thing that really gets me is this: if Bush can justify attacking Iraq, how can he justify not attacking Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc., in turn?
wooooooooooooooah there Chiefie...first of all the US was just about the only country that waited with Hitler. The UK, and most of Europe were in there long before the US decided to show up at the last minute. You can't really compair the two situations if you ask me...
The point is, the US DID wait, and if it hadn't, then millions might not have died. It's a rough comparison, maybe, but the basic point is the same - what do we do about Iraq (and all the other evils of the world)? Do we just let them go at it and hope that they don't get ambitious (again)?

But then again, overlooking this sort of stuff is so common in history and today that I guess everybody's used to it. :(

mOOkie
February 22nd, 2003, 04:43 PM
Saudi Arabia don't figure here dude...

Mr.unknown
February 22nd, 2003, 05:19 PM
there is evil every where
doesn't mean that America should just start a world wide campaign
Even here in America there is evil but they are not sending in tanks on the streets and bomb inspectors into peoples houses. good thing too.
Next thing I'll know is that my friends and relatives will be going to prison for being Muslim. and looking suspicious, even though they are not.

K
February 22nd, 2003, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by mOOkie@Feb 22 2003, 06:43 PM
Saudi Arabia don't figure here dude...
Yeah that got me too. Why attack Saudi Arabia? My mate was only in Dubai the other day.

Sarig
February 23rd, 2003, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by Chief@Feb 22 2003, 01:51 PM
First, I'd like to make a point - war is all hell, and it should be a last resort, and I'm not positive all options have been exhausted. But what if, what if the same thing happens that did with Hitler? The US waited on that, and millions died because of it. We already know the man's a nutjob - hes gassed his own people. He could kill just about anyone in his country anytime he wants. Now, I don't know about you guys, but I think it's kinda obvious that the UN isn't really capable of doing much to Iraq on its own. These "inspections" aren't really a viable option, and war is not an attractive option - any of those protesters have any other ideas, or do we just "see no evil"?

However, the thing that really gets me is this: if Bush can justify attacking Iraq, how can he justify not attacking Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc., in turn?
I think your drawing a bloody massive bow there chief.

THink about it. Saddam likels power. He is not going to do something that would take away this power. Have a guess what using WMD would do. Take away his power. You see at the moment he is contained, and effectively contained because he knows the moment he does anything aggressive the world is going to come down on him in a big way.