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mOOkie
February 15th, 2003, 07:22 PM
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From www.bbc.com:

<i>Hundreds of thousands of people have taken to the streets of London to voice their opposition to military action against Iraq. Police said it was the UK's biggest ever demonstration with at least 750,000 taking part, although organisers put the figure closer to two million.

There were also anti-war gatherings in Glasgow and Belfast - all part of a worldwide weekend of protest with hundreds of rallies and marches in up to 60 countries.

They came as UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, in a speech warning of "bloody consequences" if Iraq was not confronted, directly addressed those marching.

He did not "seek unpopularity as a badge of honour", he said, "but sometimes it is the price of leadership and the cost of conviction".

Shortly after he spoke, at around midday GMT, a tide of banner-waving protesters began surging through central London.

They cheered, shouted, sounded horns and banged drums, waving signs with slogans 'No War On Iraq' and 'Make Tea, Not War'.

Contingents arrived in the capital from about 250 cities across the UK.

The three-and-a-half mile march - organised by Stop the War Coalition, the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) and the Muslim Association of Britain - was started early by police, over concern at the number of people gathering.

Two separate meeting points were used before the streams converged in Piccadilly Circus and made their way to Hyde Park for a rally.

Organiser John Rees said the turnout had been fantastic with an "electric atmosphere but also very serious and determined".

Leading the demonstrators into the park was Italian student Giancarlo Suella, 29, who held a banner reading: 'Bush And Blair, A Good Christian Will Never Kill'.

He said: "I came to England to make my point to Mr Blair, it's hard to believe what he is doing."

All police leave in the capital was cancelled for the event but Scotland Yard said it passed off almost without incident.

There were a handful of arrests for minor mostly public order offences and a small sit down protest in Piccadilly Circus after the rally ended.

Andy Todd, assistant deputy commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said the crowd had been tolerant and patient and "the biggest I have experienced."

The police estimate of 750,000 people could be an underestimation due to people bypassing official routes or going straight to Hyde Park without joining the main march.

At the rally, Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy told the crowd he was not persuaded by the case for war.

With "misleading" evidence provided by the government, "it's no wonder that people are scared and confused", he said.

Former US presidential candidate the Rev Jesse Jackson also spoke and led the crowd chanting "give peace a chance, keep hope alive".

Among other high-profile supporters were writer Tariq Ali, ex-minister Mo Mowlam, London's mayor Ken Livingstone, actress Vanessa Redgrave, human rights campaigner Bianca Jagger and former MP Tony Benn.

Playwright Harold Pinter made a rare public speech, saying America was "a country run by a bunch of criminal lunatics with Tony Blair as a hired Christian thug".

Hollywood actor Tim Robbins, also attending, told BBC News the crowds were "what democracy looks like".

If Mr Bush and Mr Blair ignored them "they are not rightful leaders of a democracy", he said.

There was one gesture of support for military action to remove Saddam Hussein elsewhere in London during the rally.

Writer Jacques More, 44, a writer from Croydon, south London, stood with a placard outside the Iraqi section of the Jordanian embassy in central London, saying that although a last resort war was necessary "when evil dictators rule and murder their own people".
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K
February 15th, 2003, 07:56 PM
It seems that ever since I switched my homepage from Yahoo UK to BBC News I seem to be more in touch with 'the real world'.

That's a lot of people... An awful lot. Although someone on a radio talk show raised the point last night 'Would all these people still feel the same if there was some tragic terrorist attack on our own soil from Iraq in the next few days?'... Tough call.

Tobalaz
February 15th, 2003, 09:38 PM
I wish we had a chance to vote either for or against war in these kinds of situations. All we're going to do is send our own people off to die trying to save people that want us dead.
I may be going over the line here, but I say let them kill each other off and not waste any of our lives in the process.

mOOkie
February 16th, 2003, 05:07 PM
Just realised this thread should be called 'Hurrah for...' not 'Hurray for...'. :lol:

Haysoos
February 16th, 2003, 11:57 PM
I think america should go to war with Iraq, get it over with. What people dont realize is that it is GOING to happen no matter what. It can either be started by Bush sending in troops now, or Saddam nuking us or attacking us with biological weapons later. I think its better that bush start first, because whos to say saddam will stop with just the US?

mOOkie
February 17th, 2003, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Jesus@Feb 17 2003, 12:57 AM
I think america should go to war with Iraq, get it over with. What people dont realize is that it is GOING to happen no matter what. It can either be started by Bush sending in troops now, or Saddam nuking us or attacking us with biological weapons later. I think its better that bush start first, because whos to say saddam will stop with just the US?
Saddam aint gonna nuke anyone. And he doesnt have the weapons to attack any further afield than Israel.

Haysoos
February 17th, 2003, 04:50 AM
not yet... i dont want to underestimate the capabilities of a crazy guy... he hates the US, and im sure any other non muslim country is next on his list. He wants wars, he wants to fight people, why should the world be peaceful to him when all he wants is to wage war on us? I just think war with Iraq is inevitable, whether we start it or he does, but i'd rather that we start it...

Sarig
February 17th, 2003, 09:31 AM
Jesus, you are an idiot.

Saddam doesn't hate non muslim countries. Iraq is a secular state itself. By your definition he hates himself. Al Qaeda and Iraq hate each other more than they hate the US.

Plus, he isn't crazy, he just likes power, and he knows the way to keep power is to NOT use WMD against the US, UK or any other nation. An invasion is mroe likely to make him use them than anyhting else.

Incidentally I went to the one here.

Haysoos
February 17th, 2003, 12:22 PM
:blink:

now now, no need for name calling. i didnt know about the secular state thing, i thought he was one of those gung ho, "kill the infidels" types. Either way, i dont trust him to be peaceful, given the chance, because he was given the chance and he didnt take it. I'm not one for going to war with anyone, i think war is a pointless waste of lives, but what do you think saddam will do if he is left alone?

K
February 17th, 2003, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Jesus@Feb 17 2003, 06:50 AM
He wants wars, he wants to fight people, why should the world be peaceful to him when all he wants is to wage war on us?
For a minute there I thought you were talking about Bush...

Sarig
February 17th, 2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Jesus@Feb 17 2003, 09:22 PM
:blink:

now now, no need for name calling. i didnt know about the secular state thing, i thought he was one of those gung ho, "kill the infidels" types. Either way, i dont trust him to be peaceful, given the chance, because he was given the chance and he didnt take it. I'm not one for going to war with anyone, i think war is a pointless waste of lives, but what do you think saddam will do if he is left alone?
Actually, your wrong on pretty much all acounts.

What chances has he had to be peaceful?

Give up all weapons? At which point he loses power. So that's not an option. If you dig around abot his invasion of Kuwait you'll find it had the US' blessing. If you dig even further you'll find that yes it was a money grab, but it was a money grabe because Kuwait owed Iraq.

In reality, Hussein has never had valid and fair oportunities for peace.

If Saddam is left alone, I think he won't do much. Do some more research you'll fidn that his heir is about the most moderate person you can find in Iraq, he passed over the known psycopath (and his son) Uday Hussein. He might aquire weapons of mass destruction, but in reality he is NEVER goign to use them because he knows that as soon as they are used, he is removed from power. Have a guess what, he doesn't want that.

Haysoos
February 17th, 2003, 02:48 PM
i never said i was right, simply ideas i have walking 15 minutes to class. I think both sides of the arguement (got to war, dont go to war) have validity, and therefore I remain neutral. I was simply posting the idea that war is inevitable, whether bush starts it or not. Obviously you dont agree with that. And i dont dig too deep because you gotta wade through a lot of bullsh*t on both sides of the arguement.

Mr.unknown
February 19th, 2003, 03:13 AM
all I got to say is that is one bunch of Tree Huggin Hippies. :lol:

Kefka
February 21st, 2003, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by Mr.unknown@Feb 18 2003, 11:13 PM
all I got to say is that is one bunch of Tree Huggin Hippies. :lol:
that is the most knowledgeable thing I've ever heard

Mr.unknown
February 21st, 2003, 03:45 AM
I do have research
and it is a fact from my expereinces that hippies make things much worst is a bad kind of way
then again I don't believe in war
oh no I am turning hippie

mOOkie
February 21st, 2003, 03:46 PM
If this is gonna turn into a flame fest then the thread gets closed.

People on all sides have opinions that they themselves feel are completely valid. No need for the idiot comments thank you.