XP Warez Beware

[docbaily]

For the many out there who begrudge paying Microsoft its dues, then boy are you in for a surprise when Windows XP SP1 patch comes out. It would appear that Beta One have gained the insider on this one and here is a snip.

Microsoft is in the works of completely rewriting the algorithm for the way Windows XP Corporate keys are generated, and is rewriting the code for Windows XP to recognize this new algorithm. This new code will be an added ‘feature’ of Service Pack 1 due out later this year.

So why is Microsoft keeping this a secret? To put it mildly, they are a bit perturbed that warezers have been able to exploit the corporate edition of Windows XP to completely bypass WPA. They are planning to keep it a complete surprise until SP1 final has been released and shut down as many warez users from using Windows XP as possible. They know if it’s made widely known what they are planning, nobody will upgrade to SP1 until an appropriate patch has been made.


Read the full article here (http://www.betaone.net/archives/00000060.php)

[mOOkie]

Well that one worked a treat didn't it? Ha ha ha ha ha. Hey, here's a good idea for Microsoft... why not try and get people to buy XP buy MAKING IT CHEAPER!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

[docbaily]

Yeah.... if it was like $50 for XP Home and $100 for XP Pro, then I wouldn't mind as much.

[mOOkie]

Its £169.99 for the full home edition over here. The only do-able option for the average human being is to spend £79.99 on the upgrade instead. And Microsoft wonder why people pirate it...

[SnipeBoy]

If its supposed to be so much of a secret how do people know about it?

[JC Denton]

Well if you wanna see irony. I have a broken XP Pro disc, it's never been used, only a month or two old. I call Microshit for a replacement, what do they tell me? It's thirty-five bucks PLUS the twenty some odd dollar shipping. So of course being pissed off I tell her (in a nutshell) fuck it. I go out to CompUSA and look for Win98SE. It's two-hundred and ninteen bucks plus tax for the full version, only a flat two for the upgrade. WTF! So I ask how much XP is, XP Pro full is two-hundred and thirteen dollars. Now why the fuck is it cheaper than 98?!? I said screw it to them, I went and dug through all of my shit in the attic and finally found my original SE disc to which I only paid, one-hundred and twenty. BOOM, I'm back up and running with 98SE.

Fuck XP and corporate America, the scalpers of the computer user.

[docbaily]

Kirk..... if you go to a college, then you can get a student discount on software. Like me for example, I bought a full version of Windows XP Pro for $15. Yes, 15 not 150...... fifteen dollars. And I'm sure that M$ is still making money off of that $15.

[SnipeBoy]

I paid 80 English squids for XP Home upgrade and i cant remember once being asked to put my 98 disc in or anything to confirm im upgrading from a previous version. Theres either something wrong with it or my head, I dunno.
I only paid it because I got 98 free when i got a free computer from my local education authority when i was at University (nice fellas) so i thought it was about time I paid for something. :lol:

[MP3Chuck]

Bahahaha sux for all the little warez monkeys out there...

[JC Denton]

Heh, poor little monkeys. Doc, I dunno man, I don't trust anything from the college bookstore, generally people take the crap, burn a few dozen copies, return in resealed and all, then take the $15 and go buy a cheap bag of pot.

[MP3Chuck]

It's still Windows :lol:

[JC Denton]

True, but that doesn't negate the fact that's it been warezed to shit and isn't exactly a legit copy anymore. Why else do you think they would sell it for $15 :rolleyes:?

[Lag Messiah]

umm...did anyone notice that every patch you d/l using Winupate is part of Sp1...take a look at your add/remove programs list.

[JC Denton]

Ya, according to Microblob, they're all mini components for the holy of all holy SP1 (when it comes out), however none of these feature PA or "anti-warez" updates.

[docbaily]

Originally posted by Captain Kirk@Jul 22 2002, 03:37 PM
True, but that doesn't negate the fact that's it been warezed to shit and isn't exactly a legit copy anymore. Why else do you think they would sell it for $15 :rolleyes:?
d00d.... its from a university. It was in a presealed package from M$. I doubt its been wared. Plus I have the CD-Key and CD to prove that I own it.

[Lag Messiah]

yah it's all legit Kirk, you get em from the administration...some educational software writeoff MS came up with.

[JC Denton]

Ya, but what I'm saying is, generally they only have one copy and it's already been warezed to shit.

[MP3Chuck]

I dunno, at my school they only sold sealed original copies and they had the same exchange-only policy that anywhere else would.

But I can see how what you're saying would be a possibility.

[docbaily]

Yeah... my version isn't a corprate version. Meaning... once my computer register's it with M$, it cannot be installed onto anyother computer (i've tried).

[JC Denton]

This just popped into my head, how will standard corporate users be able to use their edition if they did purchase XP Corp? This SP1 pack invalidates like seventy-five corporate keys, so what? The companies that had them are shit out of luck, or what?

[mOOkie]

If you wanna shiver in your computer chairs go to Penny Arcade today and check out the link to the FAQ on this evil Palladium thing.

[SnipeBoy]

My copy of 98 from Uni came straight from a Microsoft distribution place and its a student licence agreement same as Doc's so it was supposed to be cheaper (or free in my case). Its also got lots of luvly holograms on the cd to prove its real.

[Lag Messiah]

Isn't this just, in the end, as pointless as the whole registering thing. IF it's true you'll just have to get a different key. I mean I'm sure it'll be cracked hours after it's released



<!--EDIT|Lag Messiah|Jul 22 2002, 06:14 PM-->

[SnipeBoy]

I was thinking that as well, dont they find a way around every new anti-piracy thing they bring out even before its out.

[MP3Chuck]

Yeah, in some Asian country they had cracked XP on sale for something like $5 the day before it was released.

[CrazyHorse]

Don't ask me why - but I really don't like all the warez stuff at all... the industry loses billions of dollars each year because of it and it's getting worse. It's stealing is what it is, no matter what anyone says heh. and Thou Shalt Not Steal ;-)

[JC Denton]

Originally posted by CrazyHorse@Jul 22 2002, 09:30 PM
Don't ask me why - but I really don't like all the warez stuff at all... the industry loses billions of dollars each year because of it and it's getting worse. It's stealing is what it is, no matter what anyone says heh. and Thou Shalt Not Steal ;-)
I'm inclined to agree, but when I see things like 98SE for over two hundred dollars. It makes me wonder...

[CrazyHorse]

That's why if I want a new operating system I might as well get a new computer lol. For me anyways.

[JC Denton]

OEM software is okay, but it makes the computer expensive as doo doo.

[EyePoker]

Kirk if you have pro and a cd-key why don't you just dl it off kazaa and put in your original cd-key. It would make things legit...

[EyePoker]

Not sure how but i double posted...



<!--EDIT|EyePoker|Jul 22 2002, 10:33 PM-->

[JC Denton]

Cuz there's Corporate Pro and Pro, I have Pr which has PA, which Corp does not, which has different CD keys.

[mOOkie]

I think the real danger with the way Microsoft and other large software producers set price structures, is that they are slowly but surely creating a technology underclass. The poorer sections of society and groups like students and the unemployed find no option other than piracy to keep their computers up to date with the latest applications and games software. It is almost like the days before the modernisation of the printing press when the cost of a book was beyond the wage of the average man and was the exclusive preserve of the middle class sections of society. Academia has always been dominated by the bougeious, and I feel that technology is accelerating away from the grasp of the majority of people. A good example is broadband internet access. A greater affluence on the part of the user provides the opportunity for greater exploitation of the resources on the internet.

[MP3Chuck]

That's an excellnt point... but there's always going to be people that can afford the latest and greatest along with the people who can't. And the people that can afford it are willing to pay it, with the people who can't afford it initially buying it later, so the companies see no reason to change what (for them) has been working for so long.

[JC Denton]

Good point, but warez/piracy, I don't think you'll ever be able to stop it. Nothing proposed so far can even put a dent in it. Hell, I bet out of all the copies of 98 and 95 which had almost zero warez/piracy protection (unlike ME), have been pirated to shit. Why? Microshit doesn't care, they were cheapies, at eighty a pop I don't think they cared. But now charging in the two hundred dollar price range, almost triple what the prices of 95/98/ME were, you think they wanna kid around?

[CrazyHorse]

Yup it will always be a big problem I think. Atleast they catch those people who make the big bad viruses pretty well.

[JC Denton]

Well, there comes a time in every computer freaks life when you just have to say "fuck it" to buying a new OS @ $200 a pop. Shit, I could buy a new CPU at that price.

[ToxicSoup]

Originally posted by Captain Kirk@Jul 23 2002, 10:27 PM
Well, there comes a time in every computer freaks life when you just have to say "fuck it" to buying a new OS @ $200 a pop. Shit, I could buy a new CPU at that price.
I agree. $200 is way too much for an OS. As if M$ doesnt have enough money already with all the people that HAVE paid for Windows XP and all of the XBOX consoles sold this year.

How do you know if you have a corporate version? Is there a way you can tell? My copy of XP was given to me as a gift, so im not sure where it came from exactly.

[JC Denton]

Originally posted by TypeXColorRed@Jul 23 2002, 10:32 PM
How do you know if you have a corporate version? Is there a way you can tell? My copy of XP was given to me as a gift, so im not sure where it came from exactly.
It doesn't have product activation (required). (EDIT) I doubt it's a corp copy though if it came in the legit box and all, those copies come up to thousands of bucks.



<!--EDIT|Captain Kirk|Jul 23 2002, 10:34 PM-->

[MP3Chuck]

Yeah well they up the priacy protection then triple the price ... wtf were they expecting? :lol:

[ToxicSoup]

Originally posted by Captain Kirk@Jul 23 2002, 10:34 PM
It doesn't have product activation (required). (EDIT) I doubt it's a corp copy though if it came in the legit box and all, those copies come up to thousands of bucks.
Hmm, i think ive got a corporate version then, I dont remember having to 'activate' it. Fux. Guess i dont get SP1, but it's not like im having any problems without it anyhow.

I just hope that games dont start coming out and requiring it.

[JC Denton]

Originally posted by TypeXColorRed@Jul 24 2002, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Captain Kirk@Jul 23 2002, 10:34 PM
It doesn't have product activation (required). &nbsp;(EDIT) I doubt it's a corp copy though if it came in the legit box and all, those copies come up to thousands of bucks.
Hmm, i think ive got a corporate version then, I dont remember having to 'activate' it. Fux. Guess i dont get SP1, but it's not like im having any problems without it anyhow.

I just hope that games dont start coming out and requiring it.
Have you had it for more than thirty days? XP won't pester you to activate it until the thirty days have passed. If it isn't legit, then you can always tell M$ you bought it in a third party store, and it doesn't have genuine, generally they'll help you get your money back if you surrender the copy to them. Win, win situation I guess.